Women - Then and now !!
I read an article about Should women be allowed to serve alcohol?
With all these equal rights for women, where are we heading towards?
I've been a town girl for 21 years. I had learnt to adopt the modernization but still clinged on to certain moral values. As soon as I completed my degree, I enrolled for an MS at MIT, Chennai. That was my experience in a city and life was so different. Girls smoking.. huh? Within a year, I got a job and was transferred to Pune. What a contrast it was to my small home town !! After my US experience, I'm thinking on a question..Do women degrade themselves in the name of modernization? How has the western world influenced us?
The first time, I saw women drinking and dancing in a party in Pune, I was astonished/ashamed. So a few weeks back when the same happened in US, I took it so easily. One of my collegues(girl) said "Come on, Pavithra, its just beer...it doesn't have alcohol...try it". I politely said "No, thanks". She asked me a question, "When men drink why can't women? There is lot of discrimination in this society". Drinking itself is wrong and even men should not be doing it. I politely tried to explain to her that a woman's womb is considered equivalent to the "Garpa Graha" where God resides. She is considered sacred and should have some basic values. She'll get her due respect only when she lives upto the mark. I don't know if she really understood !!
I need to definitely say about our men in US. The same guy, who used to stand 5 inches away from me when I was in Chennai has changed completely. But, an american guy here sees an Indian woman with more respect. I'm just afraid even their tendency might change in the coming years !! Personally, I feel equality should not be in Smoking, Drinking Alcohol or Flirting.
Then, Women were made to beleive that their only purpose in life was to serve others. Now, women realize they have a life for themselves.
Family was their first concern and they had no worldly knowledge and beleived exactly what their elders/husband told them. Now, they have their points of view.
Then, they were spiritual and spent most of the time reading moral stories/epics. Now, they want to analyze the meaning of these stories and do something back instead of just telling those to their children.
Then, a lot of customs were forced on them and they accepted it as their fate. Now, women, no longer, accept things which their mind refuses to accept. They protest.
Then, women never wanted to have a girl child, may be they did not like the way thier life was. Now, things are changing.
Then, they did not have a voice to choose their life. Now, they are mature enough to choose their way of life and handle the problems they face.
Women, today, have more self-respect. But have considerably reduced tolerance levels !!
Once my collegue told me "God has his value only as long as he is in the temple. Outside it's just stone". Though, that comparison sounds bad..Is it true that women would have been better cooking and caring for their family in their house than what they're doing today?
With double income families, expenditures have tripled, divorces have quadrupled and happiness and peace have halved. Old age homes and child care centres have increased in number considerably. Who should be blamed?
Updated :
Since, I wanted to know all your points of view, I restrained from using my point of view and just gave incidents.
"Change" is the only word that remains constant. Every change has both positive and negative effects.
In today's world, a woman who says "house-wife" is considered as one who is not able to utilize her time effectively. Those days, cooking itself would keep women occupied. Now with the invention of electrical appliances a lot of time is saved. Mixer, Grinder, Dish washer, Vacuum cleaner, Washing machine have reduced the work of women. Husbands required their wive's attention and would literally do no work..now men have changed 100%. Cooking and managing the house alone are not a woman's job.
Some women take up a profession be it a doctor, engineer, teacher, nurse, ...anything which is useful to the society. Others can also keep themselves occupied by helping lending help in some form than wasting time in watching TV serials or gossips !! This gives us a lot of self confidence and a sense of satisfaction. For some its money and necessity for others its just satisfaction.
Divorces have quadrupled..I think, then men were intolerant now women are also moving towards it. This intolerance explains the reason for old age homes. And indirectly, due to the demise of the joint family system, the reason for child care centres.
26 Comments:
At 4:11 PM, September 07, 2006, Known Stranger said…
hmm a pretty good one posted. hmmm makes a huge sense. and regarding dream - yappa semma confusion then i left it
At 5:26 PM, September 07, 2006, Prasanna Parameswaran said…
A lot of valid questions indeed. Anything that you think as bad is only in your perspective. do you know that Beer if consumed in small amounts is good for health! Well actually I dont drink or smoke too, that necessarily doesnt call for something as good - what is important is attitude! I've seen many guys who dont drink or smoke but have the worst attitude and vice versa. Of course it is always good to advocate that drinking is not good, provided we clearly explain and prove the ill effects of the same! It is true that this generation women are no longer tolerant - people always end up in a fighting mode "Why not you.. Why should I" I think the most important thing in a companionship is trust - if husband thinks his wife treats him like a slave or if wife thinks husband is the bread winner and doesnt respect my values - then trouble begins! Its all in trust! Nice post!
At 7:51 PM, September 07, 2006, Syam said…
very thought provoking..ithuku ellam answers enaku sathiyama theriala....neenga oru Jr Shuba aitu vareenga :-)
At 8:35 PM, September 07, 2006, KK said…
Nice thought provoking post. Surely as you said there are a lot of changes on the positive side in a women's life. Actually many people confuse between feminism and equality for women.
Well I dont think women working has created the problem of divorces, half happiness and increased old age homes and child care centers. I think its the attitude which is creating these problems. When the man and women have attitude the family goes for a toss. Its something that both the partners should work upon. They should complement each other.
At 10:10 PM, September 07, 2006, Jeevan said…
You have brought a good point here. our culture is going to the western culture.
At 12:42 AM, September 08, 2006, EarthlyTraveler said…
There is a say"Avadhum pennale,Azhivadhum pennale".Enna madhiri vidhaikaromo Adhai poruthu
payir varum.We,Women have degraded ourselves+EGO,ATTITUDE,INTOLERENCE for small small things have worsen the situation.
Very well written and enjoyed reading.I feel happy when I come across someone who have very strong values about them and their culture.Wish you all the best dear--sKM
At 1:10 AM, September 08, 2006, starry said…
A very thought provoking post. I think men and women should work together as oneand there is no such thing as you are better than me.A glass of wine before supper is ok for a man or a woman. so go ahead and have a drink, I think an occasional beer is ok also.
At 1:27 AM, September 08, 2006, Sat said…
hey...don't get me wrong, but this whole idea of respecting, 'worshipping' a woman doesn't go down well with me. Not practical...absolutely no man does that..to the real extent...nah! whether a man/woman drinks or dances or smokes or snorts...it's out of thier own will, they're mature enough to choose between right or wrong...they're adults and it's a free world for god sake...so firstly a third person can't say what they are doing is wrong,simply because...personal space...perspection...and saying that if a woman does it it is even worse...seriously, i'd rather live without all that extra 'burden' of dignity, sacredness...and please...drinking/smoking is not out of equality...it's about 'I am free to choose whatever I want to do...good or bad...i am free!..and I don't care what another person thinks about me'..Freedom!..confidence; that i can handle this...it's my life.. Equality has got nothing to do with it...it's more like breaking free...i admit some misinterpret it that it's all a part of the modern society/equal rights and get carried away...it's all rubbish...deep down it's all about the freedom to choose...you know that u'll never end up on the floor of the bar all drunk and looking ridiculous!
And NO...a foreigner does not respect me...he thinks i am boring...because all i can do is giggle shyly to anything anyone says than be bold enough to speak up on my own...or be outgoing enough..or have a neat sense of humour...really...how many indian women stand out in a party thanks to their wits?!
And tolerance levels going down...well it all comes with the package of having to juggle with so many responsibilities...but there have been such issues anytime, but with the fast life and faster money as the society rushes into a new phase....almost everything is brought under the magnifying glass...and in india if its something concerning a woman...double tht magnification!
Seriously...when will we indians be rid of this gender gauge...?...tht 'my great indian culture' hypocrisy?!
And no...women have not degraded themselves...if ur 'bad' side is showing up it doesn't mean u never had it...u had it alright, but before you didn't have the nerve to let it show....u were putting up an act...a good one at that...when it shows...then the truth is out...we can live with that can't we...women were intolerant, egoistic just like any other man, always!...that's what makes us human doesn't it...flaws!...just that we never had the nerve to show that we had it!
Let's stop judging each other and not complicate things...these mean nothing...we poeple just ahve a taste for critisizing every change...good or bad...it just got to be bashed up!...but truth is this constant nagging won't help
At 4:01 AM, September 08, 2006, Sat said…
And yeah the closing statement of this post...i strongly disagree!....it's plain exaggeration...Women are to be held responsible?...women alone??...this problem is has nothing to do with someone's sex!...whether u are a man or woman if u dont stand up to ur responsibility, these things tend to increase....blaming it on women is really biased, complete lack of logic and very forced!
At 4:18 AM, September 08, 2006, Balaji S Rajan said…
Pavithra,
Well written. I can understand your thoughts. But you need to understand few things. The world is changing very fast. Especially those like our country. I had a chat with my son who has both the experience of western world and our country. I was shocked to know about the girls of his age in our country. I am talking about girls under 13. Thanks to the media like satellite TV's. Many of them are getting the message directly and think that is life. Even I was shocked to see a woman smoking in front of her office building (in T.Nagar near Venkatnarayana Road). The reason for our shock is that we are conditioned so much and we do not want to accept change. You and me may be shocked and may be making a big hue and cry. The world is not waiting to listen. South India had been always conservative and especially Tamil Nadu. Due to the multi national companies things are changing now in big cities. I do not think women are drinking and smoking because of equality. I think that they have been supressed for centuries in our places. Now it is going the other way around. Though any vices are not good for health for both the genders it had been a macho thing in the past. As you have said women in eastern society had a different culture. There is nothing wrong if little percentage is trying to break it. Thinking about the women's comment "If he could do..why not me". It shows her immaturity. It is nothing but bad attitude and depends on the individual. Just because of one, we cannot take in general. I have some westerners friends (women) who do not smoke or drink. In our country we have different sect of society. Even 50 years before women of affluent families were drinking and smoking. Those things never came to light. Now these things have reached even middleclass families. Literacy has not helped. We need good thinkers. People should think. Whether men or women, certain habits are not good for both. If everyone realise the consequences probably, and do anything in moderation there is nothing wrong. We need to be a bit pragmatic and need not look into those minor negative stuff. I appreciate women have developed more awareness. I do not agree that women would have been better cooking and caring for their family in their house than what they're doing today? This not only reduces the self confidence. In today's world there should not be any disparities. Every sex should be given equal opportunities in everything. If they are shut inside the house, and asked to remain cooking do you think that the world would have developed. Women are intelligent and have contributed a lot towards the civilisation and technology. Let us take the positive things that have happened and probably educate others. But we cannot totally jump into conclusion and involve too much into others personal stuff. Moderate drinking is good for health too.
Do you think expenditures have tripled, divorces have quadrupled and happiness and peace have halved because of such women. I agree that happiness and peace have halved because of more income. In order to generate more income both have to work. So, when both work the male chauvinism dies. If everything is within limits no problem arises. If one of them is complexed, then comes other problems and happiness and peace are halved. Todays needs have increased. World is changing and everyone is forced to change. Everyone wants a better life. So both are forced to work and there is no one to take care of those elders at home and the children. There are lots of advantages and disadvantages. But there will be solution too when it becomes a must. If everything is maintained with balance, life will run smooth. Nobody needs to be blamed. We should only change before it becomes necessary to change.
At 8:00 AM, September 08, 2006, Bharani said…
Nice one...Women liberation is not in terms of doing these dirty and polluted things...It happens in the thought process of both man and woman....But were are heading in a wrong direction...whom to blame :(
At 11:09 AM, September 08, 2006, Keshi said…
**Is it true that women would have been better cooking and caring for their family in their house than what they're doing today?
I personally think that a woman should be a mother more than anything else.
Keshi.
At 3:28 PM, September 08, 2006, ambi said…
//Do women degrade themselves in the name of modernization? //
summa nachunu sonninga. nowadays feminism endra perla comedy panraanga.
"women is 2 times intelligent & 4 times courageous than Men"
- Arthashastra (by chankya)
but she never realises her power and falling pray into worldly things like sticker pottu, jimikki etc. LOL :)
unga posta vida perusa commentu section irukku poliruke! nalla uraikira maathiri sonninga abt alcohol and smoking. theerpu solra nattamai ippo kapchip! LOL :)
@syam, yow! en thangachi subhava enya inga ezhukara? iru, iru, avaluku inform panren, ava vanthu kanna kuthuvaa paaru!
At 6:45 PM, September 08, 2006, Has to be me said…
Pavi,
I thot I left my comment here yesterday. And Im wondering where it has vanished!
At 1:02 PM, September 09, 2006, Unknown said…
Women have it them to be acheivers. Yesterday's luxuries have today become necessities and if we can compromise on that I'm sure we'll lead much more happier lives.We need to balance a life between home & work & the options are many. Men today are much more understanding. In fact with both at the workplace & two ways of handling things.. women are here to stay. If men & women respect each other then the world wud be a better place to be in.With many old age homes & daycares around it is only the enterprising women we are helping. After all they start these, right? Many have a choice & so are using it. All in all it is a delicate balance we have to maintain. Many are however successful too!
At 1:13 PM, September 09, 2006, Jeseem said…
hmm...
this got me thinking, why is drinking wrong .
not the drunk shouting on the road kind of drinking, but social drinking.
is it unhealthy . absolutely not . small amount of alcohol are actually good for heart. so what is wrong ?
as for gender equality , don't c why or what is equility in it. i don't see any person different if he/she likes cricket or not, or if he/she like drinks or not.
I would really like to know ur views after a long term in US.
At 9:45 PM, September 09, 2006, KC! said…
yeah, that makes sense. Rombave degrade panikaranga the girls of so called modern society. WE are losing our respoect.
At 10:24 PM, September 09, 2006, Anonymous said…
Why do you think drinking is wrong? In fact to go a step further, we must ask when exactly did our society brand drinking as evil and rest as good (unfortunately, people like me too).Since you call your self a small time girl, i am sure you are well versed with ancient texts and myths; you must ask before demarcating it in black and white.
deconstructing, and we must first question the relative good ness or purification or idealization of a ceratin norm/thing/thought and then only try branding a fallacy in the other.
but anyways, a very sincere effort!
At 10:39 AM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
@known stranger - Thanks ;-). Reg dream .. Hmm...all the best for better dreams ;-).
@indian angel - Thanks for letting me know that beer is good for health ;-). Reg "trust" - well said !!
@syam - Choice la vituteenga ;-)..ok. Jr. Shuba ellaam konjam over nu thonala?
At 10:47 AM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
kk - "complement each other"...solla nalla than irukkum ;-)
sat - First ..thanks for a detailed comment. "And tolerance levels going down...well it all ...and in india if its something concerning a woman...double tht magnification!" Beautiful sentence !!
"women were intolerant, egoistic just like any other man, always!..." - A good line to think on..makes sense. Are we hiding our feelings and acting just for the society?
"Women are to be held responsible?...women alone??.." .. You got it wrong. I wanted to name this post as "Modernization". being a woman myself I never meant any harm. Men haven't changed from then and now. Women have changed drastically and these changes have their own negative effects. May be my question should have been. "Why?" instead of "Who should be blamed?".
At 10:53 AM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
balaji - "we are conditioned .." I think that is the answer. As children we are pure and we become adulterated with thoughts from our parents, relatives, friends. So for 23 years, I have a concept of life and I'm not able to accept a change. We follow certain things blindly but when someone questions us, we don't know the answer.
Its true that we need to change with the changing world..but how far?
bharani - I too think so. :(
keshi - well said !! I got my mother's love 100% and I'm not sure if my child would get the same !!
At 11:02 AM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
ambi - arthasashtra ?? ..I know that women has more will power. vambula maati vidatheenga ;-).
HTBM - Can you post it again ?
random thoughts - Welcome !!Women ..acheivement ..compromises..understanding..well true !! But I'm not able to accept "daycares". To me, a child's smile is the essence of life. May be I'm not that mature yet !!
jeseem - Just got to know drinking is good !! 4 months in US hasn't changed my point of view. I just felt that women are more confident there and live their life for themselves instead of our women who spend their whole life for their family !!
anon - "well versed with ancient texts and myths" - not much !! Thanks for stopping by !!
At 11:19 AM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
Since, I wanted to know all your points of view, I restrained from using my point of view and just gave incidents.Let me comment on this post now.
"Change" is the only word that remains constant. Every change has both positive and negative effects.
In today's world, a woman who says "house-wife" is considered as one who is not able to utilize her time effectively. Those days, cooking itself would keep women occupied. Now with the invention of electrical appliances a lot of time is saved. Mixer, Grinder, Dish washer, Vacuum cleaner, Washing machine have reduced the work of women. Husbands required their wive's attention and would literally do no work..now men have changed 100%. Cooking and managing the house alone are not a woman's job.
Some women take up a profession be it a doctor, engineer, teacher, nurse, ...anything which is useful to the society. Others can also keep themselves occupied by helping lending help in some form than wasting time in watching TV serials or gossips !! This gives us a lot of self confidence and a sense of satisfaction. For some its money and necessity for others its just satisfaction.
Divorces have quadrupled..I think, then men were intolerant now women are also moving towards it. This intolerance explains the reason for old age homes. And indirectly, due to the demise of the joint family system, the reason for child care centres.
At 1:08 PM, September 11, 2006, Pavithra said…
@Veda - True !! "working women take care of their family in equal sense as homemakers do" .. true..though there are certain difficulties as they don't be at home 24/7.
At 1:28 PM, September 12, 2006, Unknown said…
//With double income families, expenditures have tripled, divorces have quadrupled and happiness and peace have halved//
Nice point
At 2:10 PM, September 12, 2006, Pavithra said…
Thanks ;-).
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